On the weekend of October 2-4 2009, a gathering of activists and poets converged on the city of Portland for an event called EcoNvergence which focused on the current ecological / economic crises, and on responses to these crises among activists, and polticially committed writers and scholars.
In the weeks in advance of the event, one of EconVergence's organizers, Kaia Sand, and myself engaged in an exchange addressing the challenges of involving poet and artists in the various discussions planned for the event.
Kaia did an amazing job doing precisely this, and her efforts resulted in a number of poet led events, like a PACE action on the streets of Portland, as well as the involvement of poets on a number of panels. But this was not without obstacle and frustration.
Because Nonsite shares the concerns of Kaia's efforts to work across the "disciplined" boundaries that too often keep poets and artists alienated from activist-oriented discussions--as if the work of poets and artists were irrelevant to the work of activism--I want to open a space to log various texts, reports, and exchanches around the EcoNvergence.
See below for an exchange between Kaia Sand, David Wolach, and myself.
You can find the "official" info on the econvergence here.
Look forward to comments and additional post around this discussion, including a conversation by CAConrad and Frank Sherlock.
[for the correspondence, just click "Read More" below...]
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dear kaia (and david [wolach], and stephen [collis]):
first and foremost: THANK YOU, kaia, for your focused, thoughtful, and critical work around the conference, and for making this proposition to david, stephen, and myself. i can only imagine the obstacles and conundrums the organizational demands have provoked. it only foregrounds the difficulty of imagining strategic ways to traverse and breakdown otherwise formidable separations between disciplined divisions of cultural labor--activists over here, poets over there, etc.-- ideally, we'd want to create conditions of possibility for discussion, inquiry, and action that transgresses those boundaries, so that poets are not only talking to poets about poetry, but that poetry as a mode of cognition and action becomes a part of more comprehensive strategies for social engagement. but alas, the culture conspires against us, even when the situation might promise otherwise. i'm afraid that any panel comprised only of poets speaking about lyric--however framed by critical questions of politics--would serve to rehearse / reproduce, rather than challenge, those divisions, and so i would prefer not to organize this. it's a constant problem we are faced with in the Nonsite Collective: how to create those conditions of possibility, so that artists, activists, archivists, poets, teachers, non-traditional learners, etc., can collaborate across disciplines, while sustaining self-organized approaches to pedagogy that emerge out of those possibilities. maybe this can be an occasion for us to think together about strategies for doing this, as we've been faced with similar difficulties in the collective. perhaps we can "stage" this discussion on the Nonsite website?
hoping to make it to portland regardless.
sending love, // -- from rob.
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[from Kaia Sand]
Hi Rob,
You are putting your finger on the conundrum that I've been grappling with. I'm going to just think through this conundrum to you "out loud" here, and hope that maybe I can figure some things out--or you can!--relating to some of the initial thinking I did with Nonsite.
I think that there are important art/poetry contributions to make to these conversations, but how to do it in this kind of gathering? Having separate poetry-based panels is the easiest to organize, but they syphon poetry crowds from the other panels (when the folks interested in poetry are interested in many facets of the conversation)? It would be great to organize more integrated panels, but how much of this can be done on the back-end, after the panels are proposed? Maybe these are concerns I ought to think through on nonsite? I've been hesitant to start up too many panels because then they are head-to-head with economic plenaries, etc, and I don't want to create an entirely separate track of art/poetry throughout the weekend.
The plan is to have a group reading on Friday night after Noam Chomsky's talk, and potentially a smaller group reading (with broadsides?) that would be part of a PACE action. The challenge is timing all this!
Right now, there's some art-related panels on Friday and Sunday that I know less about. On Saturday, when a lot of the big economic plenaries are happening, there's the SEA Change panel & a panel for PACE and Barge, and the plan is that a PACE action would emerge from that (so it's scheduled at the end of the day, before dinner). Then on Sunday, there' s a panel that's loosely wrapped around poetry & ecology, and one that I'll do on housing/foreclosures, collaborating with an economist and sharing the slot with Aaron Vidaver and Vancouver-based squatters. And a STOCK dinner on Sun. night in which everyone pitches in $10 and awards an artist grant by the end of the dinner.
My dream would be to organize something where you are adding, via poetry, to a conversation outside poetry. But can this be activated after the fact? Or would you want to jump on any of the above panels? And is it worth your time to come up if you aren't doing a panel since the readings are group readings?
I am realizing that working on this is at least helping me grapple...
xo
Kaia
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[from David Wolach]
Dear Jules,
Kaia, & Rob,
Thank you for, Rob, for the pages - very excited to work with CA when he comes to Evergreen... & thanks, yes, for the invitation to open up this conversation.
& of course THANK YOU so much Kaia, Jules, for yr hard work in realizing Econovergence... will be an important marker in our continued struggles & passions.
Kaia, yr panel, & the ecopoetics panel, were two that I can think of (of 32!) that managed to integrate what are usually disparate "disciplines." The rest, & here I'm thinking of the Anti-War Protests Panel, where poets, activists, etc., were invited to be respondents, split one of two ways: academic activists (those active, esp. in immigrant rights, labor, & anti-war - all 3 usually) & poets, self-identified.
Looking back I think part of it had to do with how we set up the conference. We imagined the thing to be integrated, but beyond that, as dynamic in structure as Econovergence is. Tho, where we pushed the hardest for this, there people recoiled into their given areas of study, not wanting or able to have a conversation amounting to re-imagining how they (we) might work and learn across significant differences--to, in a sense, unlearn various modes of discourse and planning. I conjecture that we set the thing up with too many normative structures in place--classrooms with panelists and respondents, etc., and that we were not explicit enough in our ask: to re-think what "activism" and (in this case) "avant-garde" or "experimental" text arts can come to mean IF the only axiom we have to go by is that there needs be some relationship between these two floating signifiers.
So, we ended up with a lot of poets talking to poets & activists fighting with activists, and not nearly enough something else.
And yet, something else was/is going on too. Wheelhouse's art director, for instance, grew up in a household devoted to visual arts & activism. She sees there to be definite links btw the arts and other social practices, but will not read poetry. Sees no connection. This has as much to do with a lifetime of habituation as anything, I think. Where now she feels ungrounded in the discourse to such an extent that she recoils at the thought of entering it, even from the viewpoint of a sub-regional director for the AFL. So, this is interesting to me. Were she at PRESS (not to pick on her, as she--Eden--really IS Wheelhouse beyond the poetry wing of it, as it were (where I wish there not to be so much a "wing" of anything - again an issue of integration)) I don't think it would have been possible for her to, on the spot, lay bare to re-calibration. This would mean an unwinding, or temporary suspension, of all narratives, a whole system of values. That leap or giving in is akin to radical meditation.
So, Kaia & Jules--it seems that you've done in many ways what we did not: try to set the conditions for these transformations to occur, such that we might begin to rethink or re-narrate as socially engaged subjects. Curious how much further participants will take it?
One way or another, the way I've been thinking about things, since PRESS anyhow, involves the question of a major divide between "activists" and "artists" (to put it crudely just for now, knowing that these are fairly empty/reductive tags), & I mean self-ascribed, self-narrated activists and artists, where ascription & self-identification--the concept of the self--ends up such a major obstacle in any attempt at an "infinite" i.e. integrated discourse. This is to say, I'm not seeing much of a wall between various persons in "academic" disciplines who are activists, engaged in larger sociopolitical questions, but rather between (even alternative learning) activists, and socially engaged artists. An interest in the use of art, per se, is where I've located the outcome of the self-ascription, etc. These binaries drive us (those who, among other things, love poetry) nuts, but don't among several when it comes to dominant forms of real-time protest.
Below is something I was working on in response to Rob's opening up the floor for this discussion. Feel free to read, use part of as a post, etc. Or feel free to bypass in favor of more succinct or relevant questions.
Looking forward to Oct, to seeing you.
With Love & Solidarity,
David
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Post-EconVergence Reflections
Notes from Elizabeth Williamson and David Wolach on Econvergence and the PACE action. David's comments are in italics.
[ This is, in part, a riff & follow-up to CAConrad & Frank Sherlock's PhillySound conversation, which covers a LOT of ground, but doesn't linger as much on the PACE Action itself ]
Getting there
It is ironic, as David often says, that the folks who most need health care are the ones least able to stand around in the cold at a protest. Even the short trip to Portland took a lot of David, physically and emotionally, due to a painful and unremitting neuromuscular condition.
Gosh, when you put it that way, it sounds horrible! Reflecting back on it, tho, some of the problems or social divisions Rob and others have identified, indeed in part what I think fuels Nonsite Collective and fueled much of EconVergence, seemed – and seem always – to course through this body: this body as metaphor of the neck-up conditionality of “thinking” thru issues of social and economic justice. The head feels lonely in transit, in action. Of divides or lines or separators between systems of identification—the conditions under which we form identifications, as if “this body” were not itself an enunciation that frames thru exclusion, sets a course.
We were therefore forced to limit our participation in this wonderful conference to only a few sessions, but luckily one of them was the panel that culminated in the PACE action. I take note of this limitation in order to acknowledge how challenging and valuable it was to get everyone in the same room – and how challenging it can be to get everyone (especially folks dealing with barriers to mobility and economic access) in any room where things like poetry and activism are being discussed off the clock.
Definitely. Shows how hungry many of us are for radical change. There were a lot of people around. Surprising to me from the start was the energetic, decidedly “unstuffy” or “action-oriented” vibe everywhere we went.
That said, it was a sign of the conference organizers’ success that the church (which is quite well outfitted with classrooms, for a church) was packed to the gills with aging hippies and rosy-cheeked anarchists.
Let’s just say “people,” eh? Jeez. Tho, yr right in the sense that there seemed to be a bit of a split at some talks between a generation for which the discourse, as Allison Cobb noted, of feminizing the earth - “Mother Nature” / who needs be “protected” from the Bad Men – is perfectly okay, and seemingly more radicalized (or less, should I say, "too old school" or "out of touch"?) panelists and attendees (many of them perhaps younger, many of them women) who took note of (and exception to) some of these framings.
Navigating our way to the correct room was a challenge due to some logistical scrambling, and one of the most intriguing aspects of the panel itself was the fact that many conference participants wandered in, realized they were in the wrong place, and wandered out again. If only they had known that David Buuck would be eating toxic dirt! Rob, Kaia, and David Wolach discuss above the intricate problem of bringing activists and socially concerned poets together (in this case, I might add, it looked like we were dealing with at least two fairly different groups of activists).
Shit, I missed this parenthetical in my first read-thru. Yeah, cf above. Tho, lefties (I count myself as one) are a fractured bunch—I’d stress the “at least…”
Given that the PACE action was about bringing poetry into the streets, confronting people who would not otherwise be reading poetry in the middle of the day and asking them to read poetry, it was intriguing to see how people navigated the choice to not participate in a panel on activism and poetics.
I think they were just looking for FAMILIAR faces, and when they didn’t see any, they left. Is this saying the same thing? I mean, is this part of the difficulty in laying bare to, or suspending, one’s affiliations, at least temporarily, in the service of a new self-organization? The difficulty of re-calibrating social conventions via de-familiarization?
Site specific
In the elevator, on the way to “the street,” I asked CAConrad if he’d ever done a reading at the Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia (http://www.easternstate.org/ ) -- I used to volunteer there when I was a graduate student at Penn and I know that artists routinely do very interesting site-based work there). He told me he thought that running the place as an educational site was important, but that he couldn’t stand being on the premises. “I don’t like what they did to people there,” he said. There, in a nutshell, is the difference between Conrad and 95% of the academics I know, including myself. We see the horrors of history under a microscope, and have no trouble conducting (brief) investigations into the sites of those horrors, as long as it helps us understand them better.
But you do more than conduct brief investigations, or anyway, you count these investigations as contiguous with other forms of knowledge, and routinely question yr methods of looking/sensing. Most of us do end up quickly habituated into the academic discourse, tho, & it takes others to shake us, to transfigure that landscape for us, I think.
Microscopy. Because we’re trained to think that way, fear being the major reinforcement. We can be untrained, but why – under these job conditions, in a climate of unrelenting fear – would we wake up one day and decide to do anything that would be considered a desecration of an institution that “houses” us? Hence my interest in organizing would-be allies (activists, radical academics) for making aesthetic practices a major living part of our organizing struggles—making room for socially concerned artists within any radical organizing sub-structure. I often feel like I'm recapitulating, some inevitable redux. This occurs the less I'm with PEOPLE.
Conrad is willing to suffer for his art (see his somatic practices:http://somaticpoetryexercises.blogspot.com/) but not at the expense of effacing a history of previous suffering. In fact, my sense is that although he has a very strong sense of history, especially the history of poetry, he’s more interested in creating new experiences than recreating old ones. David Buuck has an equally intricate relationship to this set of problems: rather than attempting to bring to the surface all the lost history of a place like Treasure Island (http://davidbuuck.com/barge/bti/), he projects that space forward into the future—dealing tangentially, but no less powerfully, with its past. The act of eating toxic dirt from the site (as he does, periodically, when giving talks about BARGE), seems to me to be purposefully symbolic rather than straightforwardly somatic—he knows that he can never replicate the hazards experienced by the low-income residents who live on the island, but he wants to at least measure out the length of that gap.
Yes. Speaking of tangential: I’m interested in (especially as a Nonsite discussion) yr distinction between the “straightforwardly somatic” and the symbolically somatic. In neither Conrad nor Buuck’s work do I see anything that seeks to replicate, yr right. But in both there is the (speaking of the penal) corporeal ritual as both metaphor and motor for metaphor, or perhaps, especially in thinking of Conrad’s sound (soma)tics, ritual as also beyond metaphor or wearing/embodying/becoming that motor which moves or expels or witnesses…(?) In PACE this is writ-large, Conrad (in parallel ways, like Buuck in his work) BECOMING the poem that inverts its having been othered. Conrad and Frank were leading us, in the beginning, on a quest to verb all over the place. Conrad's work is often described as an "inclusive queering." Seems to me we were, at various levels, queering neighborhood blocks as we went along.
The talk was particularly awesome. Frank's recounting of the history of PACE, along with talking us thru HB's Poetic Terrorism !! was terrific. I was especially intrigued by Buuck's use of different modalities to access Treasure Island - that the (de)tour was also available as do-it-yrself dial-in cell phone jaunt was something I did not know, and I wonder what feedback he might have gotten from those who ventured to the island with only the ghostly archive of the ghosts of the future in their ear. Something about that image reminds me of the screen test.
So, with Conrad’s powerful words of refusal and Buuck’s strategic engagement in mind, we headed out into downtown Portland. My understanding, from Frank Sherlock’s presentation about the history of PACE, is that most of the actions he and Conrad undertake are not just site-specific but time-specific. Their holiday action, for instance, played with the convention of the greeting card in order to get passers by to engage with poems about/protesting the Iraq War. I found that specificity missing in this action, though the advantage was that it allowed the panel participants—many of whom had brought broadsides for this purpose, many of whom read from their well-worn notebooks and portable electronic devices—to engage with the action on their own terms with minimal preparation. Our first initial steps were cautious and halting; we followed Frank like small children on a field trip, chatting with each other when we were too shy to engage passers-by. I found Conrad’s mode of address particularly brilliant. Rather than asking, as pamphleteers often do, whether pedestrians would “like some” of what was in his hand he asked them if they “like poetry”—a more surprising question that invites an exchange of opinion rather than of paper. David, a former union organizer, was naturally more comfortable with this exercise than most of us were—he even approached motorists in their cars (I think there’s a proposal on the table in several of our major urban centers to ban panhandlers from doing just that, ostensibly to prevent “thuggery”). I had nothing to offer, but was honored to give out copies of Frank’s poem, which reproduces some of the documentation from his battles with the Philadelphia power company.
Great set of observations. I, too, felt that this action was probably a shift from the smaller, temporally-located actions prior—tho, as you say, in a really fascinating, really good way. Also, at the beginning, I noticed that most people wanted to stage readings—stand on a corner, on a bench, etc., as if from a podium, and that subsided over some time as people branched out. I would guess that each action takes on such a different feeling… Interesting that you contrast Conrad’s and Frank’s invitational and dialogic approach with mine. As contrast, thuggery is spot-on. When I was training organizers, and before that when I was a field organizer, it was common for authorities to seek out arcane laws like thuggery statutes to keep us from having conversations about forming unions--this is now part of the Fusion Center movement, to PREVENT movement/flow of information. So, there is something both radical (as resistant to dominant/quieting forces) and functional in the organizing conversation, yet something also potentially coercive. Not always so, really not usually—that would be a bad organizing conversation. In fact, Conrad’s invitation – his asking if people if they had a minute to engage, to hear, to enjoy – is more of what an organizing conversation is supposed to begin as. Early on I was taught that since I am in the mode of “having an unnatural conversation” in which I am trying to (if need be) convince someone of their own “worth” on the job, I am starting off with much more information, knowing that I am to initiate a particular discourse, and thus the power differential is huge. The closer to coercive one gets—the less one listens, allowing the person to detour, to teach YOU, for the learning to be mutual—the less, in fact, “successful” the conversation will be. After all, a solidarity, a bond, a deep connection over time, is what is hoped for.
The culminating moment for all of us, I think, was initiated by Buuck, who bounded up into the exterior staircases of a parking garage (this kind of improvisation is Buuck’s strong suit; when confronted with a rather dank and musty space for his reading at Evergreen the following week, he directly engaged the site’s institutionality by turning a lectern on its side and pushing it across the floor). Several readers followed him up, until we had layers of poetry being projected from the garage. Of course picking up their words was like listening to radio from outer space; we only heard them, from the opposite corner of the intersection, because we were focusing on them. Most folks passed us by without any particular experience of “dissensus.”
That was awesome. I was able to hear ok. Anyway, I was more into the idea of us taking over a private space and turning it public, into a site of activation, to use Buuck’s terms, & was excited to see that tho David initiated the reading, those who followed were very self-assuredly going up there with a sort of “takeover” in mind, independent of Buuck’s reading. Like, they decided at once, which occurred just after 4 of us stood, each on one corner of an intersection, and read one of Conrad’s poems in chorus. I also noticed, maybe because I decided to stand in the middle of the walkway looking up as if Duncan’s aliens were just overhead, trying to draw a crowd by example, that people did begin to stop, look, and at least try to listen. Several did. Tho, the acoustics weren’t ALL THAT, so they didn’t stay for the whole time, for sure.
But this is the question, isn’t it? Are we reading poetry in the streets for us or for them? This particular PACE action, especially because it was framed as part of the conference, felt pedagogical to me. Our little flock of ducklings was trying out something that Conrad and Sherlock have done before. Next time we’ll do it on our own terms, and find new ways of engaging with our roving audience. But I also took it as an experiment; what does the poem feel like under these conditions, how does it change the work itself, if not the world around it? In this case, it is not a question of “performer” vs. “audience” but of testing out the waters of the language itself.
Hopefully, in most instances, the “us-them” distinction washes away when the conversation gets good; it seemed to do so as time went on, as people became more comfortable, tried out new ways to engage with passersby. Also, the difference between the holiday reading and this one can’t be underestimated: that between a small cadre of poets reading, discussing, giving out poems—gifting—on a particular issue, one certainly contiguous with all the “issues” we discussed at the conference but more focused, and a large action of some 50 plus people walking down the street, reading/sharing from a soup of overlapping concerns. I think you just get different outcomes, one being that perhaps there is more of a feeling of having an audience with this larger group. My guess is that we did have an impact on a neighborhood. That we carved out SO much space for aesthetic practice-as-social engagement made for an action that I think did and will reverberate with defamiliarization. I still remember that guy with a python around his neck on 4th street in NYC, and that was 14 years ago. Yet I do LOVE that you bring up questions of how the poem FEELS, how it might feel DIFFERENT in your head, coming from your mouth, in your hands or someone else’s, when taken out of boundary-forming / identification-forming habitats, assemblages, institutional contexts.
I want to note, too, that the Friday reading also had this feel, or at least was not at all clubby & myopic as so many readings are. I’m with Conrad & Frank—it was one of the highlights of the weekend for me. It was one of the first times that I at least noticed non-poets, e.g., lefty political science professors, community activists, etc., mingling with and engaged by a group of poets who feel solidarity with one-another, but may not feel connected to other socially active individuals & groups. Very cool space, I might add. All around very inviting, a lovely night.
In the end, it’s hard to say how integrated the conference was, at least from the standpoint of the arts providing an important social function. I most regret not being able to go to Kaia and Aaron’s talk on squats; Buuck afterwards mentioned that this was a really dynamic discussion in the spirit of what we’re always looking to do here via Nonsite, and elsewhere. But was this the case more generally? The PACE/BARGE talk was AMAZING. But it was also paneled by 2 poets and Kaia moderating (but to argue with myself here, I found out thru conversations during PACE that in the packed room there were several people who are not consistently “making poetry,” so...). I know most of you were able to attend more panels than we could, so we are interested to hear from others on this question and related questions.
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So, what Jordan performs is not so much the migration of stuttering into the structure of poetic language, but the structure of poetic language itself.
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